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placed in 3me and a breach of te values to which i had been committed throughout my life. >> petraeus resigned nearly three years ago when it was revealed he had an affair with his buy grapher, paula broadwell. he offered that apology today. that does it for me. i'm carol costello. "at this hour with berman and bolduan" starts now. >> coming to america, the pope just hours away from his historic visit and the secret service on high alert ahead of one of the largest security events in u.s. history. >> so who can and cannot be u.s. president, according to ben carson? moments ago we tried to clarify his stance on muslims, so did he? >> a game-changer. on one of the most dangerous battlefields on earth. drones, fighter jets and troops. russia rapidly building up forces in syria as isis advances.
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hello, i'm john berman. >> i'm kate bolduan. hours from now pope francis will begin his historic visit to the united states. arriving first in washington, d.c. before coming to new york and then off to philadelphia. five days of history expected to draw crowds by the hundreds of thousands. taking a look right now at the pope -- >> somewhere in there. behind that camera. >> right behind that camera. we promise you, he is there, wrapping up his visit to cuba, blessing the city. santiago de cuba, delivering a speech. >> this is a sign of what's to come. everyone wants to get a picture of him in cuba and united states. he'll land at joint base andrews air force after 4:00. he'll be greeted in person by the president, vice president and their families. this is a sign of respect almost never granted to world leaders when they arrive in washington.
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our michelle kosinski joins us live from washington right now. this is a reminder, michelle, this pope from the americas has never actually been to the united states of america. >> reporter: right. some of these preparations, just the arrival, from the moment he steps foot in washington, you can see how momentous an occasion it is. the president himself is going to travel to andrews air force base to greet him personally as he gets off the plane. it will not only be the president, but the first lady. we now know sasha and malia obama will be there, the vice president and dr. jill biden. we'll have a lot more detail on what each of these stops are actually going to look like. for example, at the air force base, we described they are -- you know, who's going to be on the tarmac along with dozens of church officials, but there's also going to be a fence line where more than 1,000 people will be lined up. most of them invited by the archdiocese here, but also some invited by the air force base
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itself. next step then, the next day -- so this is wednesday now, tomorrow -- here at the white house, between 14,000 and 15,000 people are expected to gather to await the pope's arrival on the south lawn. that includes many members of the congress, also members of the president's cabinet. the pope himself will arrive on that south lawn. usually we see dignitaries arrive here in the front. but he'll arrive there. there will be a marine corps band that will play both national anthems. yes, there is a vatican national anthem. after that, then there is the bilateral meeting in the oval office between the president and the pope. for days we've been trying to get more detail, more of a sense of how this meeting will play out. what is it like in that room? now we're finding out from senior administration officials, this is going to be a one-on-one between the two leaders. there will be two translators in the room, if needed.
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but we're told that the pope will want to speak english. it's not his strongest language, but that he's been practicing for months. so, much of the conversation is expected to be in english. again, just the two leaders with two translators. no other members of administration. that's expected to last 45 minutes to an hour. it's described as being personable, very relaxed. not like a formal meeting. but very warm and friendly between these two, who, remember, met once before at the vatican last year. concurrently to that, there will be a meeting between other white house officials, the vice president, secretary kerry, meeting with other vatican officials. that's going to go on at the same time. from there, the pope leaves the white house. back to you guys. >> a very big few days, to be sure. some complicated, you know, protocol at the white house. >> and choreography. >> right. >> with stops in washington, new
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york, philadelphia, we're talking big places, capitol hill, madison square garden, this is one of the largest and most complicated security operations the u.s. has ever seen. >> let's discuss this and all of the history around this visit with jonathan, a former secret service agent, who served on president obama's detail as well as cnn political commentator carl bernstein, the author of "his holiness: john paul ii and the history of our time." michelle laid it out there, everything at stake, if you will. just the few additional details she laid out. more than 1,000 people will be gathered at andrews to see the arrival. and then 14,000 to 15,000 people expected at the white house. that's just two of the stops for the pope. you say that protecting the pope is like no other protectee. why? >> absolutely. because he doesn't follow the same mold that traditional secret service protectees have. he's not a politician. really the pope is the nexus
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between the public and the church. his responsibility is to go out into the crowd and embrace the public and really touch the people. >> literally touch the people. >> literally touch the people. we've seen that during his time in cuba and all of his travels, he's constantly going into the crowds, unsecure. and really throwing his own security teams off-balance. the secret service has to be prepared for that and has to have a plan in place for when the pope does make those, you know, unscheduled movements. >> i grew up in boston and pope john paul ii visited there on his first trip to the united states in 1979. it was huge. to this day there are still photos of his visit there. i wonder if you can compare this visit from pope francis to pope john paul ii. >> they have the same message about the poor, the marginalized, the responsibility of rich nations to their people and those who are forgotten. that's the gospel. that's the gospel of christ. both john paul ii and francis
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are masters of preaching this gospel and both preimminent leaders of their time in many ways because they transcend national leadership. they have the biggest following, certainly, of any particular leader in the world today. and so this is going to be really fascinating to see if this pope can keep his visit from becoming politicized. he doesn't want it politicized. there are those who wants it politicized, particularly those who oppose his message and think somehow it's, quote, too liberal or progressive. >> to that point, with these historic meetings, sitting down with the president, speaking before congress, just to name a couple, what then is the goal, do you think, for the pope in these meetings? >> the pope wants the agenda of the world to focus on what the world preaches. on catholic social teaching, which is one of the great contributions to mankind.
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and the catholic church is responsible for this idea we must look out for our brother and sister, to those who are not as fortunate as we are, that we must show respect for all points of view. he's going to, indeed, continue to preach about the unborn and about more tolerance for those views within the church that have been considered heredical before. as we've heard him preach so many times, he wants a church of openness. a little bit like john who called accumenical council to bring the church into a modern world. in that papacy, he's going to do it without a vatican, but through his own preaching, just like john paul ii did as well. remember, the huge crowds. he appealed to youth is the other aspect of this that we should be looking at. >> jonathan, this is a national special security event. >> absolutely. >> which means the secret
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service is in charge right now. >> correct. the secret service is the overarching coordinating agency for this visit. whenever there's a designation of an nnse, national special security event, secret service is placed in charge of the coordination, fbi is in charge of counterterrorism and intelligence and then it opens up the door for a lot of other federal resources to be put towards a visit. >> how do they balance it? you kind of touched on it. he touches the people. he gets out in the crowds. the head of the secret service kind of talked about how difficult that balance is, getting it right. not overreacting when people want to come to the pope or throw things at the pope, not in a bad way, but they throw things at the pope. but also not missing anything. >> absolutely. so, i mean, it's always the balance between, you know, access to a protectee and security. finding that leveling point. here what we have to do with pope francis is we have to understand that he is going to do this. so, there is different areas
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along parade routes and at different sites that he's going to where we know he's going to go into the crowd so that having that advance knowledge, then we make those areas secure. >> planned spontaneity, in other words. >> absolutely. >> no selfie sticks was pointed out. i'm big on the selfie stick. >> there's a terrible precedent of the attempted assassination of john paul ii. obviously, those in the security business, the police in new york as well as the secret service, are terribly aware of the of certain people. >> you can see the barriers and precautions taking place in central park. thanks so much. appreciate it. reminder to all of you, tonight cnn is taking an inside look at pope francis. the cnn special report, the people's pope, airs tonight at 9:00 eastern. jeb bush, carly fiorina, mitt romney, all rejecting what ben carson had to say about muslims and if they should or should not be in the white house. moments ago, ben carson just
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just a short time ago, ben carson addressed the controversy he stirred up with his comments when he said he didn't believe a muslim should be president, he would not advocate for that. today he backed off a little bit saying it would be okay if these muslims swear off shariah law and put the constitution first. >> carson has drawn criticism
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from many corners, from nearly all of his republican rivals. now he is trying to clarify further what he meant. here's what he said just minutes ago at a campaign stop in ohio. >> it has nothing to do with being a muslim. that was the question that was specifically asked. if the question had been asked about a christian, and they had said, you know, would you support a christian who believes in establishing a theocracy, i would have said no. and some people would say, he's against christians. no. you have to be able to look at the context in which i'm saying that. >> what is the context? obviously, it's not discriminatory. >> the context, as i said before that question was asked, anybody of any religious faith whatsoever, if they embrace american values and they place our constitution at the top
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level, above their religious beliefs, i have no problem with them. >> let's talk about this with katie packard-gauge, deputy campaign manager for mitt romney's presidential bid, and author of the book "demystifying islam." harris, give us your take. you obviously know -- heard what carson originally said that sparked all of this. what do you make of his qualification or clarification that he made just now in ohio? >> thank you. first of all, it seems like someone finally educated him on the constitution and what article vi says, which is why he's changing his point of view. it's still a qualification, right, that i can only support a muslim for president if he or she takes a special oath of allegiance to condemn shariah law. it's still a unique position to ever expected a candidate who s- believes in the bible to reject
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stoning for adultery or shaving a woman's head if she doesn't cover her head, the same way you don't expect a muslim to have to reject beliefs that are harbored by extremists in different parts of the world. we have to understand first what is shariah because he talks about that. it's supposed to be how you lay in compliance with following islam in your life. it's not meant to be a system of governance because islam doesn't legislate religion. it only talks about man's relationship with god. so, i think his unawareness and ignorance of islam and shariah still exists. what he knows is based on hearsay, not on facts. >> there are many different interpretations of shariah law. when anyone takes the oath of office as president or any other office, they swear to uphold the constitution. by definition they're swearing to make everybody else subservient to that. >> what's remarkable is the universal condemnation from republican candidates, current and past. your boss, he says, no religious
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test for the presidency. every faith adds to our national character. it's been interesting to me to watch all the republican candidates, one after another, in a tight race where there is a diversity of opinion here, especially come out and say, ben carson got it wrong here. >> well, i think that it's a very dangerous thing when we start deciding what other people believe, aside from what they have actually communicated. i think this long-time debate we've had about the president's faith when, you know, he has said publicly what his faith is, i think is a dangerous thing is. this was something that particularly in 2008, you know, governor romney, you know, came under a lot of criticism from people because of his mormon faith. and, you know, leaving aside the things he communicated about what he wanted to do as -- do for the country and what he had done historically as governor of massachusetts, you know, there were all kinds of interpretations about what he must believe because that was his faith. i just think that's a dangerous
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road to gon. candidates, they have to communicate, you know, what their plans are, what their vision is and they should be evaluated on those things. >> also, when you just look at it through the purely political lens, katie, how much of an impact, if at all, do you think this could have in terms of ben carson's support? joe johns was saying, when he was talking to folks going into the event today, carson had -- was getting -- it was all support. it was all support from the folks going into that event. you look at surveys, look at the new york times/cbs survey from 2013, 16% of republicans had an unfavorable view of islam. even more recent studies kind of say the same thing. how much of an impact do you think this will have, what he said? >> well, i don't think it necessarily -- you know, unfortunately, has a dramatic impact on, you know, the people that may or may not support him because there are a lot of voters that share that view. but the role of leadership is to show leadership. and to inform people when
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they're incorrect about things. a lot of americans, the only exposure they've had to islam is what happened on 9/11 or other terrorist attacks. it is important, i think, for our country's leaders to, you know, to bring some reason and some wisdom to the debate. and, you know, say that something's wrong when it just is wrong. >> seeing condemnation from other presidential candidates. we'll see what ben carson has to say and if he'll continue to clarify or qualify his remarks as we go forward. great to see you, thank you. coming up for us, speaking of republicans, scott walker is out. he's also telling his fellow candidates to follow him, to take -- in order to take out a donald trump. so, which republican will listen, if any of them? and then russian planes, warplanes, weaponry, drones, now on the ground and in the air in syria. what is russia up to here? do they have designs in this part of the world? you totalled your brand new car.
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after weeks of military buildup in syria, russia appears to be escalating tensions there even further. now launching surveillance operations in the country. u.s. officials are not able to say if the drones -- the drone operations are -- if those drones are armed with weapons, but the drone operations follow a massive buildup of russian military equipment, and at least 500 personnel on the ground there. >> yes. satellite images show two dozen russian fighter jets, more than a dozen helicopters, as well as tanks and missile systems.
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cnn's senior international correspondent matthew chance is in moscow for us and joined by former nato supreme allied commander wesley clark. first to you, matthew, give us a sense of what russia says they are doing in syria. essentially establishing a new base there. >> reporter: actually, not even officially confirming they're establishing a new base but satellite images reveal air force in a stronghold by the syrian government is being built up. we see satellite images of very advanced russian equipment deployed on the ground, including high-tech warplanes, sr-30s, which are a multiple role air strike, other aircraft as well, maybe several dozen high-tech advanced russian fighter jets on the ground there. along with tanks, surface-to-air missile systems for protection and what u.s. officials estimate to be about 500 marines, or the
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russian equivalent. it certainly does appear to be a major foothold that the russians are trying to establish inside syria. obviously, that's of a great deal of concern. >> absolutely. thanks so much. let's bring in general clark now. general, matthew laid out exactly everything these satellite images have shown. what do you think of this buildup by russia in syria? >> well, i think it's -- from putin's perspective, a smart gambit. it's a geostrategic move and he's going to portray it to us as, hey, let's cooperate against isis. and isis is a potential problem for russia. but the major part of this is to buttress bashar assad, to work with the iranians, to strengthen russ russia's influence in the region, to gain leverage against saudi arabia on oil pricing, to box in turkey and bring a more
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cooperative economic relationship with turkey through leverage in syria. so, it's got multiple advantages that putin is going after in this. for the united states, of course, it's a risk because this poses the risk of a proxy war. we're arming the syrian rebels. and if russia's really serious on fighting for bashar assad, he's going to -- russia's going to go not only against isis, but against our syrian rebels who are fighting bashar assad. we've called for bashar assad to give up power. russia says, no, he's the key to preserving stability in the region. so, we have divergent ames, both with assad and also geostrategically. >> general, you call it a risk. i think it may be more serious than that. it's a conundrum, unsolvable for
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the united states because if the russian warplanes and drones want to keep assad in power, it's clear whether the u.s. can do anything about it. secondly, if it conflict ever ends in syria, that russian stuff, the equipment and the people, they're not leaving. >> well, this is a case where got a couple of outcomes, and both of them are bad. one of them is that the russian intervention will probably provoke intense reaction from isis. and it will probably draw more recruits to isis. because the russians, after all, are infy deli dinfydels. this will intensify the fighting. isis won't have an easy time with this. on the other hand, if we're going to do anything to help stabilize the region by working with the moderate syrian opposition, such as it is and such as we can train it, this is a real -- russia's presence is a really complicater. this should all be done under the auspices of the united
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nations but russia has refused to let the united nations get involved in a constructive way in this problem. they vetoed security council resolutions on this. ultimately, we're going to have to take russia back to the united nations on this to get the solution we want. >> they don't seem willing to listen to that. thank you so much for being with us. appreciate it. so, scott walker out. carly fiorina on the rise. former campaign manager joins us next to talk about what she will do next in this race to take on donald trump. and we're all mexican. some of the music industry's biggest stars teaming up for a new song and video. ahead, amelia estafan, the man behind this song and a movement, he's here to discuss. hhe's psyched. ready for the knockout? you don't know "aarp." he's staying in shape by keeping his brain healthy and focused with aarp's staying sharp. with engaging online games developed by the top minds in
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that momentum. campaigning in south carolina today, fresh off an appearance on "the tonight show." just look at this. ♪ i'm lazy please don't take a walk with me ♪ ♪ i'd rather sing at home here instead ♪ ♪ i want to lie down in my nice warm bed ♪ ♪ a name's sick and you're going to have to carry me ♪ >> there you go. let's talk about this. probably not the song but a little bit more with someone who knows carly fiorina very well. martin wilson was her campaign manager from her bid for senate, when she ran for senate back in 2010. martin, thanks so much for joining us. ly ask you if you can also repeat that song, but we'll leave that for a little later. one of the things that she is now facing right now are some stinging attacks on her business record. this is something that she could not survive back in 2010 in her race for senate against barbara boxer. why didn't she survive those
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attacks then? >> remember, she was running for united states senate against a very popular, powerful incumbent, barbara boxer. california is a deep blue state. so, while those attacks maybe resonated with general election voters, the fact is they tried those attacks in a very competitive republican primary and they didn't -- they didn't work at all. so i think over the long haul people will make those judgments about carly's business record and they're going to compare them and put them in contrast to other candidates and some of the problems that they have in their background, a record they have to defend. >> well, but look f she's running as a ceo, and that's her main basis of experience, there is a lot of criticism on that experience. as you say, i mean, you were part of 2010. when barbara boxer started running those ads, fiorina was essentially tied before that and then her numbers plummeted. does she have a way to respond
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to the fact that profitability, you know, declined, that the share price was cut in half, that 30,000 people were laid off? >> again, i think that people will have to look at the context of when she had to make those decisions, those very tough choices. that's when the economy was in something of a freefall. the tech market -- there was a bust in the tech market here in california and across the country. the fact is, she fought hard and made some tough decisions to save a company. >> what's your advice for carly fiorina this time around? how she should approach it differently in order to be able to survive those attacks. because it's really, the higher she rises in the poll, the more sharp the scrutiny is going to be, and these attacks are already coming, especially from donald trump. we saw it in the debate. >> well, donald trump's got his own business record to defend. so, i think that's a match that carly would very much benefit from and, frankly, win.
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the fact is carly has to continue to talk about what she's comfortable with and what's helping her candidacy, the fact she's an outsider, accomplished, a charismatic leader, knows how to make tough decisions and the kind of outsider the republican voter appears to be looking for who can lead and govern. >> scott walker quit the race yesterday. on his way out he made an interesting request, essentially for other people to drop out with him. you look at the 11 people on that stage. who on that stage would you recommend drop out? >> well, i could recommend ten of them should drop out and let's just -- let's get this over with and make carly the nominee. >> martin wilson, thank you so much for being with us. appreciate your help on this matter. >> thank you. >> thank you. just in for us, a couple days before the pope is set to
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deliver a very major address to a joint session of congress, the senate voting just now on a bill that bans abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy. let's get to manu who's live on capitol hill with this vote. tell us the context of it. >> reporter: democrats blocked this bill from going forward. it would ban abortions after 20 weeks. this bill failed 54-42. they needed six votes to overcome that democratic filibuster. you saw a handful of moderates on both sides vote on -- defect from their respective parties. what this really is, kate s a larger effort by the republican leadership to try to extricate the abortion fight from the larger battle about keeping the government open by the end of the month. what the senate republican leaders want to do, channel that frustration toward planned parenthood, toward separate legislative options and move on attacking abortion that is not tied to government funding. so, this bill happened today, is
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almost a symbolic gesture. no one thought it would be enacted but it's a way to show their base, they're fighting on the issue of abortion. yes, timed to the pope's visit, which they hope also goes aways in pushing their message against abortion and abortion rights. >> we'll see what happens then. the speech is coming up. manu, thinking very much. breaking news off capitol hill with that vote. coming up, latinos taking on donald trump. some of the music's biggest stars using music to celebrate the spranish heritage and combating the negativity surrounding latinos, they say. we'll talk to emilio estafan next about this. ♪ ♪ ♪
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[phone ringing] but a little less crazy. we're doing everything we can to give you the best experience possible. because we should fit into your life. not the other way around. donald trump tweets a lot, but he took it one step further. he staged a twitter chat with anyone who wanted to ask questions using the #asktrump. >> some of them -- probably not surprising when it comes to twitter, a lot of people submitted some snarky comments he ignored, but those that submitted honest questions received an immediate on-camera response. here's a sampling of his responses. >> as far as gun control is concerned, i'm very pro second amendment. joe flacco is an elite
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quarterback. i won't take money other than the small stuff. i won't take even $1. i'm totally giving up my salary. never, ever give up. never quit. i will totally protect israel. people just give up. ultimately they have no money and become homeless. the fact that tony romo got hurt is a terrible thing for the dallas cowboys. i think tony is a great guy. i know him. listen to what i say. first thing i do in my first day as president is close up our borders so that illegal immigrants cannot come into our country. we have tremendous problems. >> the questions and answers kind of really ran the gamut there but you heard at the end, trump's hard-line stance on immigration has caused a strong backlash, even before that twitter question and answer, especially from latinos. in response, the celebrated music producer emilio estafan, pulled together quite a list of heavy-hitters in the music industry for a music video titled "we're all mexican."
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look at this. ♪ we're mexican we're mexican ♪ ♪ we're mexican ♪ >> emilio estafan, winner of 19 grammy awards, joins us now. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> this seems like a clear reaction to donald trump and what he's been saying on the presidential campaign over the last few months. what message were you trying to send? >> well, really it's not about him. he didn't start the whole thing, but i saw a lot of people saying a lot of negative things about latinos. i think this spanish heritage month and i said, there's no better way to show how much we appreciate and the contribution of latinos in the united states and we're living the american dream. he start the whole thing and people think it's totally against him. he has -- anything he wants to say, he can say.
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i think latinos are proud to live in america. you see the contribution of those in this video about every single -- all the way to president obama, those who go on and fight for this country, making contribution, people who love this country. that's the message. >> you said you've known donald trump for many, many years. have you had the opportunity to talk to him since he's launched his presidential bid, since he's said things that have been perceived as anti-mexican? >> no. listen, i wish i could have talked to him about it. i don't have a problem. we have a problem with 11 million people. we need to fix that. i think we need to find a solution. to me the only problem is that anybody who is going to be in the white house, has to be somebody who wants to bring people together, reunite people. he has to be a person for everybody. it's a way to solve problems and a way people understand, that when you deal with 11 million people, it's a problem. we know we have to stop the border. we have to stop the way people
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come into the united states without any legal way to do it. but i think in the long run, it's going to happen. it's been many years and nobody has done anything about it so i hope -- this video is about spanish heritage and celebrating the united states. i hope he can see it, that way he can see it's not about him. it's about our culture, our people. >> he watches cnn, there's no question about it. he watches a lot. you said you haven't had a chance to talk to him, so if you did call him up, what would you say, cut it out? >> every single day, the presidential candidate, they usually have people advising. i hope he can get some people who will tell him a better way to solve this problem. like i say, when you send a message and you attack somebody, that's why we all say, we're all mexican. the mexican people is uptight in a big way. when you attack them, you attack all latinos. >> you brought together more than two dozen latino musicians, artists, other celebrities all coming together. i wanted to ask you about one celebrity in particular because it's a very big moment for her. your wife, gloria. she's going to be singing for
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the pope. i mean, she sung -- the crowds she's sang before are huge. what is it like? tell me about this. she's going to be singing for the pope. >> when we got that call, it was a moment of pride. she's so happy. this pope is definitely a guy who's changing. you see somebody who put people together, making a difference. it's a big honor. she's so happy. we met him already in the vatican. we talked to him, john paul. >> is it hard to sing for a pope? >> it's hard. especially doing the conga, you have to do a ballad. latinos, it's about that, the american dream. it's about achieving things you never feel you'll do in your life. this country is about that. spanish heritage moshgs it's so important to have moments like this. >> it's such a moment for both of you. >> and we have the play coming up, so we're ready for that. >> presales are great. >> presales are fantastic.
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it was sold out. rave reviews. we're happy. >> i need to stay close and be in emilio's orbit. everything you touch. >> thank you so much. >> great to see you. >> you're welcome. history in the making. any moment right now pope francis will be taking off, leaving cuba, to arrive here in the united states. this is his first trip ever to the united states. a very rare, practically unheard of greeting schedule by the president. we'll have all our coverage coming up. stay with us.
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voexing with . volkswagen is accused of cheating on e emissions tests and now it is bigger than we thought we knew. and they say that 11 million vehicles may have been affect and the ceo apologized again and he said that he is endlessly sorry that they betrayed the trust of millions and swift clarification has utmost priority to make it clear that manipulation at vw must never happen again. >> and vw has set aside more than 7 billion for recalls, but the final cost to the company could be much higher and run much deeper. the stock has lost one-third of the value in two days. cnn's chief business correspondent christine romans has been looking at it, and it is amazing. >> this is one for the corporate
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businessbooks, and you have a company that has come out to rip up the profit for cast saying that it is going to be costing us a lot of money, and we will never do it again, and there is a cap of about $18 billion in penalties and fines and just the tip for them. this is how the u.s. ceo put it when he made his own apology. >> let's be clear about this. the company was dishon west t the -- dishonest with the california enforcement board, and with all of of you and in my words, we have totally screwed up. >> and the share hoeholders are being punish and the one-third of the value gone in two day, and the investors don't know where it is going the go next, and this is a company incredibly important for europe and german e e k economy, and calls from the world's most powerful leaders to expand the probe to other auto workers to bring confidence back into the play.
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>> and screwed up -- they engineered the cars to cheat on the emissions tests. >> and that means that cars are dirtier than they look, and it means that the epa regulators were misled by a year by volkswagen and the investigations are beginning he here, but it is breathtaking in the magnitude. >> they lied and cheat and engineered the car to make them look cleaner. >> and you think it could go further? >> well, look, 11 million cars, and 500,000 targeted in the u . u.s., and you know, i have been asking people if they think that the other auto companies were doing, this and they say no. the french finance minister says he does not believe that other european auto makers were doing it, but he wants them all scrubbed so they can get some respectability back, and this is about emissions standards to make the air cleaner to breathe, and if you have a company programming the emissions software to make sure it is only
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clear when it is tested and not on the road. >> and designing cars to pollute more. >> they say it will never happen again at vwings and wonder how many people will keep their job, and who is going to be keeping the promises next. >> how they thought they could get away with it is the amazing part. thank you, christine. >> and we will leave you now with live pictures from cuba, in santiago, and i believe we have live pictures, a and there he is, pope francis with raul castro getting ready to leave cuba. >> he is boarding the plane and he heading to the united states, and the first stop is washington, d.c. as we know he is going to be greeted by the president of the united states, and that momentus occasion, we will cover it live and the special coverage for us will continue right after this break. sure, tv has evolved over the years.
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sports freaks. x1 will change the way you experience tv. call and switch to x1 from xfinity today. hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield and welcome to the program today and the final moments of the pope and his viz is it is to cuba. he is now starting a journey to the united states of america. live pictures to you from santiago in cuba. take a look as he boards that the flight bound for the united states. this is quite a day, because we are about to embark on several busy days in the u.s. as the

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